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A <small>short</small> and <i>faaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaast</i> briefing by [[User:Euna]], [[User:Federico]], [[User:Kendal]], [[User:Martin]]
A <small>short</small> and <i>faaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaast</i> briefing by [[User:Euna|<span style="color: yellow;
  text-shadow: -1px 0 blue, 0 1px blue, 1px 0 blue, 0 -1px blue; font-size:16px;">★ E ★ U ★ N ★ A ★]], [[User:Federico| <span style="background-color:white;">🍭<span><span style="color:white; font-size: 20px; text-shadow: 30px 20px 3px #4E5EC5;">fə_erico [ Poni ]______ ]]</span>,[[User:Kendal|<span style="color:#004cff; background:#f0c5b4;">ᴋⷦeͤndͩaͣl 👀]], [[User:Martin|<span style="color:black; font-family: helvetica; text-decoration: none; ><b>Martin&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</b></font>]]<img src="https://freight.cargo.site/w/40/q/94/i/ee42c094769ac064880630e7dcacb16e4ba0f751c52b5b3c01a6f281f98bff36/LOGO_MARTINFOUCAUT_2020-01.png" style="width:27px; height:27px;">


=Processing=
[[File:Chat.png|thumb|smile, you are in the internet]]
=Processing of tension=


==Ok why this dude ==
==Ok why this dude ==
<div>Rhodes was an imperialist, businessman and politician who played a dominant role in southern Africa in the late 19th Century, driving the annexation of vast swathes of land.<br>"I contend that we are the first race in the world, and that the more of the world we inhabit the better it is for the human race" <ref>https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-32131829</ref><br><br>Probably this is already enough.</div>
<div>Rhodes was an imperialist, businessman and politician who played a dominant role in South Africa in the late 19th Century, driving the annexation of vast swathes of land. He is also said to be "one of the people who helped prepare the way for apartheid by working to alter laws on voting and land ownership".<br>"I contend that we are the first race in the world and that the more of the world we inhabit the better it is for the human race" <ref>https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-32131829</ref><br><br>Probably this is already enough.</div>


==Issue: what about history vs symbol==
==Issue: what about history vs symbol==
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*Editing history?  
*Editing history?  
*Hiding and beautifying our past?  
*Hiding and beautifying our past?  
*If we hide all our mistakes, how do we take responsibility and learn?
*If we hide all our mistakes, how do we take responsibility and learn? And how far does this go?  
*And how far does this go?  
*Whole cities have been constructed by people who have done questionable actions, so when do we stop removing things? What do we even end up with if everything is taken down?
*Whole cities have been constructed by people who have done questionable actions, so when do we stop removing things?  
*What do we even end up with?
<br>
<br>
<b style="font-size: 50px; text-align: center;">Adding layers on history!</b>
<b style="font-size: 50px; text-align: center;">Adding layers on history!</b><br>
What should be more powerful? delete or deconstruct it?
What should be more powerful? Do we delete or deconstruct it?
<br>
<br>
<p style="font-size: 40px; color: blue">Does a statue exists as a way of glorifying someone, <b>or/and</b> to give us a piece of historical information?</p>
<p style="font-size: 40px; color: blue">Does a statue exist as a way of glorifying someone, <b>or/and</b> act as a piece of historical information?</p>
<i style="font-size:20px; text-align:center;">Modifying or Removing or letting it as what it already is? </i>
<i style="font-size:20px; text-align:center;">Modifying or Removing or letting it remain as it already is? </i>


<p style="font-size: 40px">Anyway, even if we destroy a statue we are not deleting history as we erase an HD. <br><b>Symbols</b> could be destroyed and modified.<br>Statues are often symbols of oligarchic power, imperialism, colonialism and/or hegemony, they are <b>monuments</b> to <i>genius</i>.<br>If we destroy a statue we are modifying a symbol adding layers to the history.<ref>This seems to be an Aristotelian syllogism </ref></p>
<p style="font-size: 40px">Anyway, even if we destroy a statue, we are not deleting history as we erase an HD. <br><b>Symbols</b> could be destroyed and modified.<br>Statues are often symbols of oligarchic power, imperialism, colonialism and/or hegemony, they are <b>monuments</b> to <i>genius</i>.<br>If we destroy a statue, we are modifying a symbol adding layers to the history.<ref>This seems to be an Aristotelian syllogism </ref></p>


[[File:Socle du Monde, P Manzoni.jpg|A monument to the world by P.Manzoni|frame|right]]
[[File:Socle du Monde, P Manzoni.jpg|thumb|frame|right|A monument to the world by P.Manzoni]]
<p>There are also <i>good</i> statues, to generalize means refuse to inhabit complexity.<p>
<p>There are also <i>good</i> statues, to generalize means refuse to inhabit complexity.<p>


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<br><br>
<b style="font-size: 30px; color: red">When the information becomes culture? <br>
<b style="font-size: 30px; color: red">When does information become culture? <br>
When the information become scuplture?</b>
When does information become sculpture?</b>




</div>
</div>


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=Designing conflicts=  
 
=Projecting=  


<div>
<div>
How can we states a position about that issue? + how can we aware the people of what the shit that guy did?
How can we establish a position about an issue? + how can we make others aware of the shit that this guy did?


<br><br>
<br>


*IF(we) destroy the statue, liberals and fascists will come to bother us;
*IF(we) destroy the statue, liberals and fascists will come to bother us;
*ELSE IF [before](we) must try to explain to <b>everybody</b> what that guy did and why a lot of people cares about that issue.
*ELSE IF [before](we) must try to explain to <b>everybody</b> what that guy did and why a lot of people care about that issue.
**just say <b><i>"you do not understand because you are stupid"</i></b> is very classist.
**just say <b><i>"you do not understand because you are stupid"</i></b> is very classist.
*ELSE IF no-platforming.
*ELSE IF no-platforming.
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==Detournment/hijacking==
==Detournment/hijacking==
(change the status of statue!)


hacking the statue


The elements that supports the statue have also a lot of symbolic weight the fuckin hat
<br>
<i style="text-align:center; font-size: 25px; color:red;">change the status of the statue!</i>
<br>
 
[[File:Indro Montanelli painted red.png|frame|right|Indro Montanelli's statue throwed with red paint ("racist purp")]]
[[File:Porco pulito.jpg|frame|right|Indro Montanelli's statue while was being cleaned]]
 
* Hacking the statue
 
The elements that support the statue have also a lot of symbolic weight (i.e. look the fuckin hat + the fist)


Statue's sustainibilty / natural resistance to protest actions :
What about the statue's sustainability / natural resistance to protest actions through its material :


Because of its position and materiality, the statue can seems quiet untouchable
Because of its position and materiality, the statue can appear untouchable
The statue made of bronze or stone could almost be seen as if it was made to resist to protest actions.
<b>The statue made of <span style="color:gold">bronze</span> or <span style="color: grey;">stone</span> could almost be seen as if it was made to resist to protest actions, as it is a robust material that is not flexible in it's editing capabilities. (i.e. Montanelli's statue @ Milan) </b>
example of Indro Montanelli in Milan //


change its arrogance (position?)!
* Change its arrogance (position?)!
What make this statue arrogant (material, position, behaviour, etc?)
What makes this statue arrogant (material, position, behaviour, etc?)<br>
for now, too untouchable height
for now, unreachable height, places importance in levels and hierarchy.<br>
material also, too solid (seems like a part of the architecture)
The material also, too solid (seems like a part of the architecture), adding to the intense importance of the figure.


make it ugly!
* Make it <b style="font-family: Comic Sans MS; font-size:30px;">ugly</b>!
https://www.chosun.com/site/data/html_dir/2013/08/14/2013081404568.html
it's alreadu ugly the statue!
how can we share with people what this guy did?


-> inside (historical) ugliness or phisical?
https://chosun-chosun-prod.cdn.arcpublishing.com/resizer/AnJIfIiQENldVMi2ejXIix-nAM8=/216x0/smart/cloudfront-ap-northeast-1.images.arcpublishing.com/chosun/KOPLQ4LZSWDZT6NYBGAAQ2N5P4.jpg
not dynamic but "fixed", static, it's always there


<p style="color:green">it's already an ugly statue!</p>
<br><br>
<div style="text-align:center;color:white;text-shadow: 100px 30px 2px orange;">
<b>how can we share with people what this guy did?</b><br>
<b>how can we share with people what this guy did?</b><br>
<b>how can we share with people what this guy did?</b><br>
<b>how can we share with people what this guy did?</b><br>
<b>how can we share with people what this guy did?</b><br>
<b>how can we share with people what this guy did?</b><br>
</div>
<br>
<i>-> inside (historical) ugliness or physical?
not dynamic but "fixed", static, it's always there</i>


<br><br><br><br>
==Making something communicative==
==Making something communicative==
Since we want to modify symbols and not history,


our position? educating the people, let people to discover the history?
Since we want to modify symbols and not history, what is our position?  
<br>When educating the people, how do we let people discover the history?
 
*Mobile application for tourist (a map that shows not only the nice things) -> a bit of a timid approach?
but with an application, we can give further info.


application for tourist (not only the nice things) -> a bit timid approach?
but with application, we can give further info


===problem of the performative event===
===problem of the performative event===


how can we give a "lesson" not standing there always
How can we give a "lesson" if we're not always present? The statue is stable and rigid, it will exist long after we do.


===digital realm w/ statue?===


=Proposals=
=Proposals=


*Use Google Maps as a platform to reveal more accurate historical contexts of statues.
(Still not a very bold idea)




Use gmap as a platform for public access to historical context of statues (terrible english sentence)
<br><span style="color: white;text-shadow: 3px 2px 3px red;font-size:50px;text-align:centerM">strong idea:</span>
Still not very bold idea


What about creating a tension with the position of the statue?  
*<i style="color:blue; font-size:40px;">What about creating tension with the positioning of the statue?</i>   
Just in between of being in a normal untouchable position and being completely removed:
<br>           
[[File:Saddam.jpg|thumb|frame|right|holy shit Saddam is making a fuckin backflip ]]
<i style=" font-size:30px;">An in-between of remaining in its current untouchable position and the alternative of being completely removed:
Suspending the statue at a 45° angle, as if it is falling or at least edging.
Suspending the statue at a 45° angle, as if it is falling or at least edging.
A symbol of the debate/tug of war between positions of support and against. The precarity of opinion.
A symbol of the debate/tug of war between positions of support and protest. </i>.
<br>
<i style="font-size:50px"; text-align: center>The precarity of opinion.</i>


https://media.newyorker.com/photos/59097db38b51cf59fc4240bf/master/pass/Crair-Saddams-Leg.jpg
[[File:First sketch.gif|frame|center|first proposal sketch]]<br>


Ivy or/and  flowers or/and plants covering the facade behing the statue itself
*Ivy or/and  flowers or/and plants covering the facade behind the statue itself


An accompanying informational (through a speculative poll??) or not?
*<b style="font-size:20px;">An accompanying informative supplement through a <i>speculative poll</i>
Free or interpretative, or oriented towards a more personal opinion about history
Free or interpretative, or oriented towards a more personal opinion about history ''linked'' onto the footnote of the statue.</b>
(we think about our position)


link on footnote of statue
[[File:Martin4.gif|thumb|frame|right|Speculative Poll Random Simulation]]


<br><span style="color: white;text-shadow: 3px 2px 3px red;font-size:50px;text-align:centerM">strong <i>interactive</i> idea:</span>
*<i style="color:blue; font-size:40px;">What about, through a web-app, make a poll aims to modify the angle of the <span style="color:white; text-shadow: 2px 50px 4px black">falling</span> <span style="color: grey; text-shadow: 5px 3px 5px lightblue">freezed</span> statue?</i>   
<br>
<i style=" font-size:30px;">For a determined time slot (i.e. a month) people can vote about the status of the statue, to determine its falling angle</i>.
<br>
<i style="font-size:50px"; text-align: center>to be continued</i>
<br><br><br><br><br><br><br>


=ToDo List=
=To-Do List=


# Eat the rich.
# Eat the rich.
# Drink the middle class
# Drink the middle class
# Interface navigation and graphic simulation sketches
=Problems to solve=
# How to contextualize before asking: "Do you want this statue to stand there or to be removed"
# For how long does this device/event/artwork/installation should exists?
# Should the voting count be refreshed regularily?




diocan
___
PAD: https://pad.xpub.nl/p/EuKeMaPo_-_Rhodes_Issue

Latest revision as of 16:59, 17 September 2020

A short and faaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaast briefing by ★ E ★ U ★ N ★ A ★, 🍭fə_erico [ Poni ]______ ,ᴋⷦeͤndͩaͣl 👀, Martin   

smile, you are in the internet

Processing of tension

Ok why this dude

Rhodes was an imperialist, businessman and politician who played a dominant role in South Africa in the late 19th Century, driving the annexation of vast swathes of land. He is also said to be "one of the people who helped prepare the way for apartheid by working to alter laws on voting and land ownership".
"I contend that we are the first race in the world and that the more of the world we inhabit the better it is for the human race" [1]

Probably this is already enough.

Issue: what about history vs symbol

  • Cancel Culture?
  • Editing history?
  • Hiding and beautifying our past?
  • If we hide all our mistakes, how do we take responsibility and learn? And how far does this go?
  • Whole cities have been constructed by people who have done questionable actions, so when do we stop removing things? What do we even end up with if everything is taken down?


Adding layers on history!
What should be more powerful? Do we delete or deconstruct it?

Does a statue exist as a way of glorifying someone, or/and act as a piece of historical information?

Modifying or Removing or letting it remain as it already is?

Anyway, even if we destroy a statue, we are not deleting history as we erase an HD.
Symbols could be destroyed and modified.
Statues are often symbols of oligarchic power, imperialism, colonialism and/or hegemony, they are monuments to genius.
If we destroy a statue, we are modifying a symbol adding layers to the history.[2]

A monument to the world by P.Manzoni

There are also good statues, to generalize means refuse to inhabit complexity.



When does information become culture?
When does information become sculpture?






Designing conflicts

How can we establish a position about an issue? + how can we make others aware of the shit that this guy did?


  • IF(we) destroy the statue, liberals and fascists will come to bother us;
  • ELSE IF [before](we) must try to explain to everybody what that guy did and why a lot of people care about that issue.
    • just say "you do not understand because you are stupid" is very classist.
  • ELSE IF no-platforming.


"Adding a footnote to a statue?"

Detournment/hijacking


change the status of the statue!

Indro Montanelli's statue throwed with red paint ("racist purp")
Indro Montanelli's statue while was being cleaned
  • Hacking the statue

The elements that support the statue have also a lot of symbolic weight (i.e. look the fuckin hat + the fist)

What about the statue's sustainability / natural resistance to protest actions through its material :

Because of its position and materiality, the statue can appear untouchable The statue made of bronze or stone could almost be seen as if it was made to resist to protest actions, as it is a robust material that is not flexible in it's editing capabilities. (i.e. Montanelli's statue @ Milan)

  • Change its arrogance (position?)!

What makes this statue arrogant (material, position, behaviour, etc?)
for now, unreachable height, places importance in levels and hierarchy.
The material also, too solid (seems like a part of the architecture), adding to the intense importance of the figure.

  • Make it ugly!

KOPLQ4LZSWDZT6NYBGAAQ2N5P4.jpg

it's already an ugly statue!



how can we share with people what this guy did?
how can we share with people what this guy did?
how can we share with people what this guy did?
how can we share with people what this guy did?
how can we share with people what this guy did?
how can we share with people what this guy did?


-> inside (historical) ugliness or physical? not dynamic but "fixed", static, it's always there





Making something communicative

Since we want to modify symbols and not history, what is our position?
When educating the people, how do we let people discover the history?

  • Mobile application for tourist (a map that shows not only the nice things) -> a bit of a timid approach?

but with an application, we can give further info.


problem of the performative event

How can we give a "lesson" if we're not always present? The statue is stable and rigid, it will exist long after we do.


Proposals

  • Use Google Maps as a platform to reveal more accurate historical contexts of statues.

(Still not a very bold idea)



strong idea:

  • What about creating tension with the positioning of the statue?


holy shit Saddam is making a fuckin backflip

An in-between of remaining in its current untouchable position and the alternative of being completely removed: Suspending the statue at a 45° angle, as if it is falling or at least edging. A symbol of the debate/tug of war between positions of support and protest. .
The precarity of opinion.

first proposal sketch


  • Ivy or/and flowers or/and plants covering the facade behind the statue itself
  • An accompanying informative supplement through a speculative poll

Free or interpretative, or oriented towards a more personal opinion about history linked onto the footnote of the statue.

Speculative Poll Random Simulation


strong interactive idea:

  • What about, through a web-app, make a poll aims to modify the angle of the falling freezed statue?


For a determined time slot (i.e. a month) people can vote about the status of the statue, to determine its falling angle.
to be continued








To-Do List

  1. Eat the rich.
  2. Drink the middle class
  3. Interface navigation and graphic simulation sketches

Problems to solve

  1. How to contextualize before asking: "Do you want this statue to stand there or to be removed"
  2. For how long does this device/event/artwork/installation should exists?
  3. Should the voting count be refreshed regularily?


___ PAD: https://pad.xpub.nl/p/EuKeMaPo_-_Rhodes_Issue

  1. https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-32131829
  2. This seems to be an Aristotelian syllogism