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==loose ideas==
==Andre: a factory for making collaborative songs (based on samples)==
* modes of culture production


==Questions==
(think about you want to get across, the issues/questions you'd like to address)


==Andre: a factory for making songs based on sampling==
<b>Online collaborative sound/musical composition</b>


===Questions===
* what are the motivations to participate in collaborative sound works ?
'Dont jump to the solution, think about you want to get across, the issues/questions you'd like to address'


What I want from it? What is project's question?  
* what results might arise from such process?


* Is it a advocation of Plunderphonics ?
* how can such a system be devised?  
* Is a critique on copy-right ?


* how is appropriation is used within different music genres?
* what will bring users to participate?


* A humorist approach to appropriation of music works? of the appropriationist techniques?  
* what existing examples of collaborative music composition exist?
* can it become something not serious?


* copyright laws? - an advocation of plunderphonics?


==Sketches==


* Offer recipes for others to create sampling songs??
==A Sketch==
** It could bring an insight into the compositional process (1 interesting aspect of Oulipo))
** Could have the same humor as Oulipo creations?


* the power relation of such creation: A system deviser and executer. I am still the author, and although results might be extremely varied it would be a shared authorship (as in a Christian Wolff open composition, he still the author)
* could a song be created collectively, with unrestricted contributions?
* Oulipo - was a peer group that created the works; there was no blurring of reader-writer position; the more interesting aspect (for my project) might be the playful, game strategies, and use of constrains for the creation


* could a song be created collectively, with unrestricted contributions?
* could Distributed Control Version System be implemented in for music making? <br/>
* could something like a svn system be devised for music making? go back on the process, resurrect old fragments -> a song in constant construction  
* A system that allows anyone to contribute, to submit his version, to resurrect previous version <br/>
** what are the (possible) rules of this composition:
To put a song in permanent construction. <br/>
*** a) only found sounds;
* wikipedia could be taken as model of such a collaborative effort; a collective intelligence
*** b) maximum sound duration;
However in wikipedia there is a goal: to create the more accurate body of knowledge as possible.
*** c) DO A NUMBER 1 HIT


* a perverse twist:
<b>What could be  the goal of a collective musical construction??</b>
** something like google eats itself';
** each new song could apply for the charts - something plays with the industry; the appropriation of copy-righted material, but to such a degree that makes impossible to sue due the large amount of sources


A project that motivates people to participate
* compositions could be devised as games
Each one starting from a given sound material, a given set of rules, and an aim<br/>
(bringing a bit of humor as in Oulipo creations)


what i want address with it?
====<b>Example of a game/composition:</b>====
* copyright laws?
* Material: the week's #1 hit song
* collective collaboration
* Rules: users can only use material from that song; no effects should be used, only editing;
* After that week/month the song is finished;
* The various versions will be juxtaposed in chronological order
* Distributed widely (where to?? is there anyway of submitting a song for the tops??)


* an advocation of plunderphonics?
===Technology===


(the art work that struggles with its own formula)
we are thinking of using git to as the underlying structure managing version history




===References:===
===References:===
* Sonic Outlaws - FILM
* Sonic Outlaws - FILM
* KLF - The Manual - how to make a number one the easy way
* mix tape culture books - tape of favorite songs
mix tape culture books - tape of favorite songs
* [http://rwm.macba.cat/en/curatorial/variations1_jon_leidecker/capsula Variations series by Jon Leidecker]
 
* Aymeric - The sound of network topologies -  http://su.kuri.mu/00000001/2011----THE.SOUND.OF.NETWORK.TOPOLOGIES/
* Aymeric - The sound of network topologies -  http://su.kuri.mu/00000001/2011----THE.SOUND.OF.NETWORK.TOPOLOGIES/
 
** [[User:Andre_Castro/Factory/1.3/Notes-theSoundOfNetworkTopologies | Notes:The Sound Of Network Topologies]]
 


===Interfacing===
===Interfacing===
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==Other's porjects==
==Other's projects==




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* Notations by Christian Marcley
* Notations by Christian Marcley


 
===Petra===
* design integral to a work system
* this can be a meta-system for
* your are trying to create a mourning site, or something that is pushing it forward - thinking of how I position myself as graphic designer in the present and future
* the post-industrial
* think of it of as publishing industry that is happening now
 
* what is missing from graphic design is a critical reflection on the printing material now-a-days
 
* in the contemporary graphic design do we have a counter-culture arts and craft movement (William Morris) ?
 
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===CONCLUSION OF PROJECT PRESENTATIONS===
===CONCLUSION OF PROJECT PRESENTATIONS===
ideas are medium specific
ideas are medium specific

Latest revision as of 16:47, 18 May 2012

Projects for factories

Andre: a factory for making collaborative songs (based on samples)

Questions

(think about you want to get across, the issues/questions you'd like to address)

Online collaborative sound/musical composition

  • what are the motivations to participate in collaborative sound works ?
  • what results might arise from such process?
  • how can such a system be devised?
  • what will bring users to participate?
  • what existing examples of collaborative music composition exist?
  • can it become something not serious?
  • copyright laws? - an advocation of plunderphonics?


A Sketch

  • could a song be created collectively, with unrestricted contributions?
  • could Distributed Control Version System be implemented in for music making?
  • A system that allows anyone to contribute, to submit his version, to resurrect previous version

To put a song in permanent construction.

  • wikipedia could be taken as model of such a collaborative effort; a collective intelligence

However in wikipedia there is a goal: to create the more accurate body of knowledge as possible.

What could be the goal of a collective musical construction??

  • compositions could be devised as games

Each one starting from a given sound material, a given set of rules, and an aim
(bringing a bit of humor as in Oulipo creations)

Example of a game/composition:

  • Material: the week's #1 hit song
  • Rules: users can only use material from that song; no effects should be used, only editing;
  • After that week/month the song is finished;
  • The various versions will be juxtaposed in chronological order
  • Distributed widely (where to?? is there anyway of submitting a song for the tops??)

Technology

we are thinking of using git to as the underlying structure managing version history



References:

Interfacing

how the projects could enter into a dialogue?

  • Dave - svn, git. What does he wants to head with it? What is his take
  • Eleanor - shared storage, maintenance

Each project has to think about 2 interfaces in other projects



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Other's projects

Eleanor: facebook censored from facebook

if you establish a social protocol that circunvent the restriction that allow a social experiment

  • pirco wireless code of conduct - for Eleanor project

Graphic scores and Git

  • Dave
  • Cornelious Cardew - The Great Learning - negative feedback built into it
  • the reproducibility and
  • the social idea between open scores
  • if open composition were tools for allowing non-musicians and trained musician to compose-play together
  • graphic scores and open composition
  • Cobra by John Zorn
  • Notations by Christian Marcley


CONCLUSION OF PROJECT PRESENTATIONS

ideas are medium specific

  • applying the factory paradigm to the medium which we are familiar with
  • the next step is to abstract from the media; what are the common lines between project

when they similar in their structure and their approach

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