User:Loes van Dorp/NotesSimon and Renee

Renee & Simon & Timo 28 November

Inge

Need time to reflect. To many roles, although I like managing

What is a learning environment?

I am a Motor, starts up something and others take over.

• facility conceptualize space.
• Place this problem in a time before this networks were provided. The 60's 70's facilitating.

• I-I am afraid to limit myself
• S- You want to bring together all your projects.Take a step backwards.
• I- A space beyond a medium
• S- What is the vision of the world. What is that what is important to you?
• R- Go back and visit your first wiki entries. It is all in there. Your challenge is : How doe you talk about the fussiness and not be an escapist.

As long as you can track it in your work that is okay. The point is,that it is not the point.

• S- Sympathizing?
• I- Chicago piece the closest to this method.
• S- You want to protect something what you do
• I- the strength is the layered way of working, I find it hard to som this up in one paragraph
• R-Use the writing as a medium, do not confuse it with an analytical writing.
• S- Read around artist writings. Look how they managed integrate writing in there work. (Gerard Richter) look at strategies they use. See the writing as an theatrical thing.
• R- ambiguity
• S- Practice based research. You don't have to reflect that directly on your work. Explore the water you are swimming in. Talk about others, to mark what you think is important.

Drama hasn't changed much since it started. How we as human beings engage with performance ( Book: Hamlet on a holiday) - Fundamental obsessions. What would you have done if the medium your working with wasn't invented?

• I- a flâneur, but not in a shopping center.
• R- the roots are in that first wiki
• S- not making since is a choice.
• I- It seems that anything I say doesn't hit the matter
• R- That should be youre header

Renee & Simon 7 November

Inge

Upstage.org Online networked performance How much of what you see is part of the platform?

"Lack of fysicality, but still want to build a relationship with people. It is interesting to overcome the Limitations."

Excersize to see where I want to go this year. Test realationships, interaction.

What happens if you have a lot of people in it? How do you stage it? It is good to be able to see tehe result. Linix versus Mac OPen source It is funny that they use flash. It is not a good site, it is clumsy, but that also makes it fun to play with the limitations.

What are the dynamics of the performance? What are you giving tot the viewer. What are the ingredients.

Roombased-script

Books:

• Peter Brooks, 'The empty space'
• ............, 'Improf'
• Janet H Murray, 'Hamlet on the holodeck'
• ............... 'Alice in wonderland'

Cola

Meaning of names of food are interesting stories.

Are you more interested in the story or the food? Food is important, but not the theme Svankmeijer his food animations is about politics.

Structure of stories. Mix different stories.

Culture through food---experiment. What is the bean, tactile quality of the ink.

History gestures

What are the possible gestures.

Doesn't have to go outwards, can go inwards in an intimate place.

To much information about food, just start working to keep the content open.

• Search for stories of beans

Continuity and value

Play with titles to help you filter food. For instance 5 stories about love and war

You don't have to bring the story to the bean, you can get the story out of the bean.

Film:

• Spirited Away
• the yellow rolls roys
• De Jurk
• Bread

Book

E. Annie Proulx, 'Accordion crimes'

Me

Carrot is too obvious

A told memory is a monitored memory

Pull it apart as a story.

Crying about the guy was more surprising than the carrot.

Controll the associations, the wrong thing can make it noisy

Is it ment to be funny?

Manon de Boer and meating Sylvia Crysto several times. The story changes everytime. You do not see the persons. [1]

• Memory through different people.

Transforming memories Proces Memory into stories, revisit the story to create fiction. Book:

• Oranges are not the only fruit by Jeanette Winterson.

This is a fictional memoire. She rewrote the story when she was older. It is good to read both, to compair them. Memories change as you grow older.

• Why be happy if you could be normal?

jeanette Winterson

What is ficion and what is memory?

• textile analyses

Reading your own memory.

• Layer drawing, mother father and me

TEST THIS!

Interview people, how perspectives change

What is going on now with me? How is my perspective changed? How am I seeing thing different than when I was that little girl?

Making off william kentridge. He starts his work with some elements, not with a full story. He let his ahnd do the thinking, let the drawing tell waht to do next.

Subject

Content

Stories are one thing ( maybe many)

Conent , what do you want to say about memory? What is the underlaying content?

Family stories, can you have your own family story? What happens to the memory if it is told a lot?

Is it nececarely to believe in one story, to have a story?

Thinking is creating

Freud--false memory

Unwanted erasier of repeated told memories.

paint elements in white, getting rid of lines, reveal, hide

Materially get it rilling

Each Point of view another protogonist.

Renee 24 oktober

Cola

Experiment, where to go, which food to take FoodFilm japan Tam Popo

Not eating but food.

Pete greenaway the cook, the wife and the lover. symbolic of food chinese food history, everything is connected with food. Food is the sky

Me

Last project was very open for interpetations. look inside city archives

heavily directed documentairy

first write a concept and script

There are gabs in archives, you can do something with that. Book Wilson about fiction and memory

Book Consciousness Explained, Dennett, memory and history, processing memory. Paralell.

Inge

Process collecting and proposing Stumbling through live

Simon 3 oktober

With Daan and Sebastian.

Sebastian.

Think about the scale of youre work.

New eye museum Dock Eytken

Bluemangroup

SoundandSilentce

What happens if you remove something (DJ)

Daan

Book > A catch in the ride

Underwrite and overwrite

Extreem images, hightened version> extreem version, objectivy things.

He haven´t fucked up enough, you become stuck, make interesting carbage Fairytell thinking.

The Prodigy

Bob Dylan

Me

Personal memories

search a space

Both about you and not about you Themes Not the same subject but the same content

Pete Greenway

adressing the obsession

Fairytell stories READ use the elements of a fairytell for your own story.