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The most elementary definition of ideology is probably the well-known phrase from Marx's Capital: "Sie wissen das nicht, aber sie tun es" ("they do not know it, but they are doing it"). The very concept of ideology implies a kind of basic, constitutive naïveté: the misrecognition of its own presuppositions, of its own effective conditions, a distance, a divergence between so-called social reality and our distorted representation, our false consciousness of it
How can Zizek’s understanding of ideology, as presented in The Pervert’s Guide to Ideology, be applied to Joshua Oppenheimer’s The Act of Killing and Renzo Martens’ Episode 3: Enjoy Poverty ?
 
sources
 
1 SLAVOJ ZIZEK.
it is the classic concept of ideology as 'false consciousness', misrecognition of the social reality which is part of this reality itself. Our question is: Does this concept of ideology as a naive consciousness still apply to today's world? Is it still operating today? In the Critique of Cynical Reason, a great bestseller in Germany (Sloterdijk, 1983), Peter Sloterdijk puts forward the thesis that ideology's dominant mode of functioning is cynical, which renders impossible- or, more precisely, vain — the classic critical-ideological procedure. The cynical subject is quite aware of the distance between the ideological mask and the social reality, but he none the less still insists upon the mask
 
The formula, as proposed by Sloterdijk, would then be: "they know very well what they are doing, but still, they are doing it". Cynical reason is no longer naïve, but is a paradox of an enlightened false consciousness: one knows the falsehood very well, one is well aware of a particular interest hidden behind an ideological universality, but still one does not renounce it.
 
 
Cynicism is the answer of the ruling culture to kynical subversion
 
 
This cynicism is therefore a kind of perverted 'negation of the negation' of the official ideology
 
It is clear, therefore, that confronted with such cynical reason, the traditional critique of ideology no longer works
 
We can no longer subject the ideological text to 'symptomatic reading'.
 
Adorno , ideology is, strictly speaking, only a system which makes a claim to the truth, not simply a lie but a lie experienced as truth, a lie which pretends to be taken seriously.
 
Totalitarian ideology no longer has this pretension. It is no longer meant, even by its authors, to be taken seriously — its status is just that of a means of manipulation, purely external and instrumental; its rule is secured not by its truth-value but by simple extra-ideological violence and promise of gain.
 
from
CYNICISM AS A FORM OF IDEOLOGY
SLAVOJ ZIZEK.
THE SUBLIME OBJECT OF IDEOLOGY (LONDON; NEW YORK: VERSO, 1989), PP. 28-30.
THE SUBLIME OBJECT OF IDEOLOGY (LONDON; NEW YORK: VERSO, 1989), PP. 28-30.
http://www.egs.edu/faculty/slavoj-zizek/articles/cynicism-as-a-form-of-ideology/
http://www.egs.edu/faculty/slavoj-zizek/articles/cynicism-as-a-form-of-ideology/
2Renzo,
3 act of killing
4 reading lacan
6 zizek pervert gudide to ideolgo
7 RENZO MARTIN INTERIVW
8 pad notes coleltxvive






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ideology (and cynicism)
Marx, Sie wissen das nicht, aber sie tun es
MARx
Zizek ideology as 'false consciousness',zizek cultural capitalism (todays form of capitalism)
"Sie wissen das nicht, aber sie tun es" ("they do not know it, but they are doing it"). The very concept of ideology implies a kind of basic, constitutive naïveté: the misrecognition of its own presuppositions, of its own effective conditions, a distance, a divergence between so-called social reality and our distorted representation, our false consciousness of it
the classic concept of ideology as 'false consciousness" is a part of the reality itself
ADORNO
only a system which makes a claim to the truth, not simply a lie but a lie experienced as truth, a lie which pretends to be taken seriously.
SLOTERDIJK, 1983, critique of cynical reason=
ideology's dominant mode of functioning is cynical, which renders impossible- or, more precisely, vain — the classic critical-ideological procedure. The cynical subject is quite aware of the distance between the ideological mask and the social reality, but he none the less
The formula, as proposed by Sloterdijk, would then be: "they know very well what they are doing, but still, they are doing it". Cynical reason is no longer naïve, but is a paradox of an enlightened false consciousness: one knows the falsehood very well, one is well aware of a particular interest hidden behind an ideological universality, but still one does not renounce it.
Cynicism is the answer of the ruling culture to kynical subve". Cynical reason is no longer naïve, but is a paradox of an enlightened false consciousness: one knows the falsehood very well, one is well aware of a particular interest hidden behind an ideological universality, but still one does not renounce it.
rsion.This cynicism is therefore a kind of perverted 'negation of the negation' of the official ideology
traditional critique of ideology no longer works
TOTALITARIAN IDEOLOGY  =It is no longer meant, even by its authors, to be taken seriously — its status is just that of a means of manipulation, purely external and instrumental; its rule is secured not by its truth-value but by simple extra-ideological violence and promise of gain.
ZIZEK MORE
ideology as 'false consciousness',cultural capitalism (todays form of capitalism)
starbucks  is mroe what u bying into. than what u buy. u are buyinh into a cofee ethics
starbucks  is mroe what u bying into. than what u buy. u are buyinh into a cofee ethics
 
  he remedies are part of the disease  last attempt to make capitalism work for socialism  ETHICS  global capitalism with a human face (mroe human more tolerant etc )  relative freedom, wellfare, security etc    a certain type of misantrhopy which is much better than this charitable humanism?  A MIXTURE zero point(biogenetiks nw aparthieds, eologiclly etc)  repairing with the right hand what u destroy with the left hand George Soros gates etc reenergised 19th cent philantrhopy  
the remedies are part of the disease  last attempt to make capitalism work for socialism  ETHICS  global capitalism with a human face (mroe human more tolerant etc )  relative freedom, wellfare, security etc    a certain type of misantrhopy which is much better than this charitable humanism?  A MIXTURE zero point(biogenetiks nw aparthieds, eologiclly etc)  repairing with the right hand what u destroy with the left hand George Soros gates etc reenergised 19th cent philantrhopy  
PERVERT GUIDE
Sloterdijk  ideology's dominant mode of functioning is cynical
       
the cinical subject is quite
aware of the distance between
the ideological mask and the social reality, but he none the less
still insists upon the mask
Adorno system which makes a claim to the truth, not simply a lie
but a lie experienced as truth
 
 
they Live.sunglasses
they Live.sunglasses
how does psychoanalysis and re-enactment  highlight the subjects relation to idealogy?   
how does psychoanalysis and re-enactment  highlight the subjects relation to idealogy?   
How does re-enactment in act of killing bring to surface the obsceneties?
How does re-enactment in act of killing bring to surface the obsceneties?
enjoy poverty should be 'performing poverty'
enjoy poverty should be 'performing poverty'
idealogy is hidden in plain sight.   
idealogy is hidden in plain sight.   
"Desire is the agent of ideology."
Desire for desire itself—excess ultimate melancholy experience is the loss of
desire.
The excess is with us forever let’s have another coke (‘enjoy your symptom’)
HISTORY
HOW THESE THINGS ARE ENSCRIBED IN HISTORY (RENZO AND ACT OF KILL AND THE SITUTATIONS AROUND
,DOCUMENATION MORE SUBJ?) PSYCHOPATHS IN FICTIONAL ?


BIG OTHER
BIG OTHER
In a Stalinist universe there definitely is what in psychoanalytic theory we call the Big Other.
In a Stalinist universe there definitely is what in psychoanalytic theory we call the Big Other.
This Big Other in the Stalinist universe has many names. The best known of them are the necessity of historical progress towards communism or simply history.
This Big Other in the Stalinist universe has many names. The best known of them are the necessity of historical progress towards communism or simply history.
On the one hand, of course, the Big Other is the secret order of things like divine reason, fate or whatever, which is controlling our destiny.
On the one hand, of course, the Big Other is the secret order of things like divine reason, fate or whatever, which is controlling our destiny.
Big other provides state of exception
Big other provides state of exception
This precisely is the function of the Big Other. We need for our stability, figure of Big Other for whom we maintain appearances.
This precisely is the function of the Big Other. We need for our stability, figure of Big Other for whom we maintain appearances.
They discovered the truth of what Jacques Lacan claims: there is no Big Other. There may be a virtual Big Other to whom you cannot confess.
They discovered the truth of what Jacques Lacan claims: there is no Big Other. There may be a virtual Big Other to whom you cannot confess.
Much more interesting is the Big Other as the order of appearances.
Much more interesting is the Big Other as the order of appearances.
History itself is the big other. History is the necessary succession of historical stages.
History itself is the big other. History is the necessary succession of historical stages.


DESIRE
"Desire is the agent of ideology."
Desire for desire itself—excess ultimate melancholy experience is the loss of
desire. The excess is with us forever let’s have another coke (‘enjoy your symptom’)


my notes
HISTORY
HOW THESE THINGS ARE ENSCRIBED IN HISTORY
Renzo, WHY a film, encloses this in this narrative
this movies as cultural artifacts feed big other. or become parts that constitute it
media and representation,
individual and corporate world
I think his attitude is a bit like doign a media literacy program to them,and to show how media transform "the truth" and so we should accept and they should accept how far they re from it and that he knows better. like he s into solving the problem.
media presentation of africa in 60s 70s , antitourism, poor image


ACT OF KILLING
DIFERENCE ACT AND RENZL
'gangsters are people who work outside the system, not for the government.'
act of killing more fictional
through ideology, facts, events and even crimes are seen as 'natural', inevitable, history.
act of killing about a collective and ideology, renzo more about how one guy exrpesses it
 
obj-subj
killing happily, psychological consequences uknown(self and social), appearances and the use of language,
renzo it talking about ownserhip
better economy, safety, city of good times, taking ecstasy after killing , nature and war, "morality is relative",  history-narrative-identity
madness unlimited, killing inspired by films, personal narrative , social narrative n crime
 
 
 
 
 
RENZO
ALSO THS EFACT THAT INDIVIDUAL IS UNABLE TO
FROM FOUCTUL ENCLOSED,THEN
FROM DELEUZE WHERE INDIVIDUALS WHERE PASSING ONE TO ANOTEHR PLACE WITHOUTEND
NOW U CAN  GO SOMERHWRE(ACT) AND UR ACTSARE BEEING TRANSFOREMD INTO VIRTUAL ACTS
 
 
why a film?
 
 
60-70s media representation of africa
 


RENZO MARTINS INTEVERIW I do not only film reality; film itself creates the social conditions into reality.
RENZO MARTeNS INTEVERIW
I do not only film reality; film itself creates the social conditions into reality.
Artists stage and create a lot of commentary on inequalities in the world. In and of itself, this is a good thing because obviously there are many problems in this world, and art is one way of addressing them
Artists stage and create a lot of commentary on inequalities in the world. In and of itself, this is a good thing because obviously there are many problems in this world, and art is one way of addressing them
Although many artists try to stage such collaborative projects through photos or videos, the trouble with these projects is that more often than not, the economic benefits of such art pieces are not found in the places where the piece the art intervenes or stages an alternativ
Although many artists try to stage such collaborative projects through photos or videos, the trouble with these projects is that more often than not, the economic benefits of such art pieces are not found in the places where the piece the art intervenes or stages an alternativ
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You can critique anything and everything. But what does this really mean, this artistic critique, if it has no impact on the lives of the people who live in the situation that you comment upon? So if people come to a place like that, they will probably be stimulated or pushed to make the artistic critique a little more poignant vis-à-vis the living conditions that they see.  
You can critique anything and everything. But what does this really mean, this artistic critique, if it has no impact on the lives of the people who live in the situation that you comment upon? So if people come to a place like that, they will probably be stimulated or pushed to make the artistic critique a little more poignant vis-à-vis the living conditions that they see.  


ACT OF KILLING
gangsters are people who work outside the system, not for the government.
through ideology, facts, events and even crimes are seen as 'natural', inevitable, history.


 
killing happily, psychological consequences uknown(self and social), appearances and the use of language,
objectivity
better economy, safety, city of good times, taking ecstasy after killing , nature and war, "morality is relative",  history-narrative-identity
 
madness unlimited, killing inspired by films, personal narrative , social narrative n crime
 
ownserhip

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How can Zizek’s understanding of ideology, as presented in The Pervert’s Guide to Ideology, be applied to Joshua Oppenheimer’s The Act of Killing and Renzo Martens’ Episode 3: Enjoy Poverty ?

sources 1 SLAVOJ ZIZEK. THE SUBLIME OBJECT OF IDEOLOGY (LONDON; NEW YORK: VERSO, 1989), PP. 28-30. http://www.egs.edu/faculty/slavoj-zizek/articles/cynicism-as-a-form-of-ideology/ 2Renzo, 3 act of killing 4 reading lacan 6 zizek pervert gudide to ideolgo 7 RENZO MARTIN INTERIVW 8 pad notes coleltxvive


ideology (and cynicism) MARx "Sie wissen das nicht, aber sie tun es" ("they do not know it, but they are doing it"). The very concept of ideology implies a kind of basic, constitutive naïveté: the misrecognition of its own presuppositions, of its own effective conditions, a distance, a divergence between so-called social reality and our distorted representation, our false consciousness of it the classic concept of ideology as 'false consciousness" is a part of the reality itself ADORNO only a system which makes a claim to the truth, not simply a lie but a lie experienced as truth, a lie which pretends to be taken seriously. SLOTERDIJK, 1983, critique of cynical reason= ideology's dominant mode of functioning is cynical, which renders impossible- or, more precisely, vain — the classic critical-ideological procedure. The cynical subject is quite aware of the distance between the ideological mask and the social reality, but he none the less

The formula, as proposed by Sloterdijk, would then be: "they know very well what they are doing, but still, they are doing it". Cynical reason is no longer naïve, but is a paradox of an enlightened false consciousness: one knows the falsehood very well, one is well aware of a particular interest hidden behind an ideological universality, but still one does not renounce it.

Cynicism is the answer of the ruling culture to kynical subve". Cynical reason is no longer naïve, but is a paradox of an enlightened false consciousness: one knows the falsehood very well, one is well aware of a particular interest hidden behind an ideological universality, but still one does not renounce it. rsion.This cynicism is therefore a kind of perverted 'negation of the negation' of the official ideology traditional critique of ideology no longer works TOTALITARIAN IDEOLOGY =It is no longer meant, even by its authors, to be taken seriously — its status is just that of a means of manipulation, purely external and instrumental; its rule is secured not by its truth-value but by simple extra-ideological violence and promise of gain. ZIZEK MORE

ideology as 'false consciousness',cultural capitalism (todays form of capitalism)

starbucks is mroe what u bying into. than what u buy. u are buyinh into a cofee ethics

 he remedies are part of the disease   last attempt to make capitalism work for socialism  ETHICS  global capitalism with a human face (mroe human more tolerant etc )  relative freedom, wellfare, security etc     a certain type of misantrhopy which is much better than this charitable humanism?  A MIXTURE zero point(biogenetiks nw aparthieds, eologiclly etc)   repairing with the right hand what u destroy with the left hand George Soros gates etc reenergised 19th cent philantrhopy 

PERVERT GUIDE they Live.sunglasses how does psychoanalysis and re-enactment highlight the subjects relation to idealogy? How does re-enactment in act of killing bring to surface the obsceneties? enjoy poverty should be 'performing poverty' idealogy is hidden in plain sight.

BIG OTHER In a Stalinist universe there definitely is what in psychoanalytic theory we call the Big Other. This Big Other in the Stalinist universe has many names. The best known of them are the necessity of historical progress towards communism or simply history. On the one hand, of course, the Big Other is the secret order of things like divine reason, fate or whatever, which is controlling our destiny. Big other provides state of exception This precisely is the function of the Big Other. We need for our stability, figure of Big Other for whom we maintain appearances. They discovered the truth of what Jacques Lacan claims: there is no Big Other. There may be a virtual Big Other to whom you cannot confess. Much more interesting is the Big Other as the order of appearances. History itself is the big other. History is the necessary succession of historical stages.

DESIRE "Desire is the agent of ideology." Desire for desire itself—excess ultimate melancholy experience is the loss of desire. The excess is with us forever let’s have another coke (‘enjoy your symptom’)

my notes HISTORY HOW THESE THINGS ARE ENSCRIBED IN HISTORY Renzo, WHY a film, encloses this in this narrative this movies as cultural artifacts feed big other. or become parts that constitute it media and representation, individual and corporate world I think his attitude is a bit like doign a media literacy program to them,and to show how media transform "the truth" and so we should accept and they should accept how far they re from it and that he knows better. like he s into solving the problem. media presentation of africa in 60s 70s , antitourism, poor image

DIFERENCE ACT AND RENZL act of killing more fictional act of killing about a collective and ideology, renzo more about how one guy exrpesses it obj-subj renzo it talking about ownserhip

RENZO MARTeNS INTEVERIW I do not only film reality; film itself creates the social conditions into reality. Artists stage and create a lot of commentary on inequalities in the world. In and of itself, this is a good thing because obviously there are many problems in this world, and art is one way of addressing them Although many artists try to stage such collaborative projects through photos or videos, the trouble with these projects is that more often than not, the economic benefits of such art pieces are not found in the places where the piece the art intervenes or stages an alternativ

The IHA is not only working to close the gap, though it is a big chunk of what we do. We’re building an art center in the Congolese rainforest, and we’re asking for local people to participate. These include people who work for logging companies or on big plantations—subsistence farmers who make, let’s say, $20 a month. We ask them, and then we provide them with the opportunity to not only do what their normal job involves but also to critically reflect on their labor conditions by making drawings or videos or performance pieces. We can show them in presentations in some of the most prestigious art institutes in the world. Just imagine that a guy who has been working for 10 or 20 years on a plantation, earns about $200 a year with a full-time job, and then makes a drawing about that experience. So if we can show that drawing and then sell it to a gallery, one critical drawing about the worker’s lifestyle and his labor conditions can make five or ten times the money he’s earning from one year of work. As such, critical reflection on one’s life and labor conditions can be far more beneficial than just performing the labor one’s required to do.

We hope that the economic benefits of artistic critique can have an impact on the places where the critique came from. You can critique anything and everything. But what does this really mean, this artistic critique, if it has no impact on the lives of the people who live in the situation that you comment upon? So if people come to a place like that, they will probably be stimulated or pushed to make the artistic critique a little more poignant vis-à-vis the living conditions that they see.

ACT OF KILLING gangsters are people who work outside the system, not for the government. through ideology, facts, events and even crimes are seen as 'natural', inevitable, history.

killing happily, psychological consequences uknown(self and social), appearances and the use of language, better economy, safety, city of good times, taking ecstasy after killing , nature and war, "morality is relative", history-narrative-identity madness unlimited, killing inspired by films, personal narrative , social narrative n crime